Definitely order 2 sizes down with these. The wide ones are VERY WIDE! I usually take a wide shoe, and these gap like nobody's business. The lining is a little baggy, which is very annoying. If I didn't need them for a class today I'd definitely return them for 1/2 size smaller (making them 2.5 total sizes smaller) and the M width. But alas, I need them for today. The high vamp on these makes the feet look very ungainly.
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